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No Historical Jesus Whatsoever Creates These Absurdities which Include Certain Travesties

February 13, 2013
  •  The Big Problem of Roman Emperors Persecuting Christians and One Example Christian Concept: Listed here are the dates of the reigns of each emperor who persecuted Christians, though their persecutions didn’t last for the duration of most of those. Nero (54-68), Domitian (89-96), Trajan (98-117), Marcus Aurelius (161-180), Decius (201-251), Valerian (253 -260), Diocletian (284-305), and Galerius (305-311) all persecuted Christians. So if the Jesus Christ character was constructed in its entirety by Romans wanting a new religion some 300 years after Jesus’ alleged lifetime in the 1st Century then what beliefs about Jesus were being held by those many Christians in a period spanning those three centuries in order to cause many of them to be persecuted by Rome? Even how Christians should properly view the Trinity, which perhaps got much more ironing out in the 4th Century, was already being explained in books that came much earlier, books that would become the New Testament… while the Trinity, for example, definitely wasn’t plagiarized from any previous culture, even as most NT books either refer to or allude to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; yet it apparently was a bit difficult to standardize just how such a deity could be characterized as God, which by the religion’s narrative he would have still had to be in heaven while Jesus was on Earth… and then you would also need an invisible spirit deity who would be with Christians after Jesus left. So there you have the Trinity, a uniquely Christian concept that was pragmatically formed well before the 4th Century. And even though Christianity is indeed a conspiracy, it’s not of that scale which some have recently been suggesting. For if we atheists lose the argument of Christian Religion validity by allowing a no-real-Jesus-ever-existed concept to commandeer the movement, by that we risk being hamstrung from having the ability to reach a vast number of Christians (and more especially potential Christians) about the actual falsehood which this religion is.
  • The Big Problem of Josephus’ Writings of History: If the 125-word (in English) Testimonium Flavianum (which praises Jesus as being the Christ or Messiah) was written by Josephus, then he was a kook and anything he wrote can’t be trusted, which those who purport that no-real-Jesus-ever-existed concept need people to buy into regarding Josephus before anything else so they will be able to mislead them into believing they have done enough homework on this topic. (But in their defense, they are unaware that their homework is deficient on this topic.) Before thinking or buying into that, please consider that the rest of Josephus’ works are the genuine article—carefully pored over and written out by that man himself! Yet sometime around 300-325, Eusebius (or another who was much like him), apparently commissioned new copies of Josephus’ works be produced having that Antiquities of the Jews, Book 18.3.3, capsule included. If so, then Josephus’ account of John the Baptist was most likely very accurate, and what he wrote about James the brother of Jesus was most likely accurate as well, which if the brother of Jesus actually existed then the no-real-Jesus-ever-existed concept quickly collapses. So they need to discredit all of Josephus to get away with suggesting that, which is a travesty.
  •  The Big Problem Due to the Existence of the Nag Hammadi Library: The Nag Hammadi Library contains a list of over 50 lower quality early Christian books that were found in a sealed jar or pot in the Upper Nile region of Egypt in 1945. These were early books by authors trying to interpret who Jesus was and what his story was supposed to mean, which were the type of books that the Catholic clergy once customarily burned while favoring that collection which the Council of Nicaea (in the year 325) and subsequent councils, essentially decided would serve as that religion’s belief standard. In other words, what these lower quality books contained, even though some liked them during the early Christian time, wasn’t considered to be of the required quality needed to inspire the widespread trust in the religion that its clergy was aspiring for it to procure… with the Roman Empire following behind that inner group of theologians who were at that time making all of the decisions in such matters. Not only does much of the Nag Hammadi collection appear to have most likely come from the middle to latter part of the 1st Century, but several of those are attestations to the existence of real people who were named Peter, Paul, John, Philip, Thomas, and James. And why, if the no-real-Jesus-ever-existed scenario is true, did the Catholic clergy apparently destroy most all of those lower quality books (except perhaps only this few that were found hidden in a clay pot in Egypt), if that clergy invented Jesus entirely like that scenario proposes? For apparently, the Catholic clergy didn’t like how certain individuals or groups were believing in Jesus, which for the no-real-Jesus-ever-existed scenario to be true would require others inventing him from thin air as well… or as I believe that there was indeed a real person behind all of these stories. So which view do you think is more realistic? Without question it’s much easier to believe that a real Jesus existed—one who thought he was the Jew’s Messiah, just like many other would-be Messiahs who were described by Josephus during his 1st Century time, which that occurrence of would-be Messiahs was reported as being fairly common then. But the no-real-Jesus-ever-existed advocates would tell you to completely disregard Josephus, simply due to one small redaction that was most likely added (or entered) under Eusebius’ direction (since that short paragraph also appears in three of Eusebius’ writings verbatim)… which dismissing Josephus in such a way looks quite uncalled for.
  • The Big Problem of How Messianic Prophecies Are What Molded the Christian Narrative, Therefore Not Plagiarism of Former Cultures: Isaiah 61:1-3 is the messianic prophecy which says that Jesus (or whoever the Messiah would be) would preach to the meek while also essentially giving the concept of a gospel message to the entire New Testament. Isaiah 29:18-19, 35:5-6, and 42:7 say that the Messiah would be a healer who would open the eyes of the blind, the ears of the deaf, heal the lame, and cause the dumb to speak—and that the poor would be his primary audience. 2 Samuel 7:12-17 tells us that the Messiah would come from the lineage of David, that he would build God’s house or temple (in the New Testament, that temple is taken to mean the Church/church instead of an actual brick and mortar type building, also that God would chastise offending people in God’s preordained/predestined body, i.e., members of that body), since he surely wouldn’t chastise Jesus who’s held as perfectly sinless, and that this Messiah’s throne would last forever… which also, by the way, means that its subjects (its people) would live forever—thus the NT’s eternal life concept. Most all other messianic prophecies are almost certainly an outgrowth or further development from what’s found in 2 Samuel 7. That he is in some ways analogous to the Sun is found in Malachi 4:2. One of the main things he would say while on the cross is claimed to come from Psalm 22:1. Isaiah chapter 53 says that he would die as a sin sacrifice for the whole nation, which later is to include the whole world, or at least those who were predestined by this all-knowing God to be saved. And there are many more prophecies considered messianic which are thought of as contributing bits of information to the story of Jesus as the Messiah so that even the historical Jesus himself probably had a number of those in mind as well, which he would have needed to make a few arrangements for so that things went as those prophecies described, at least with regard to a certain number of their key notes. This is all uniquely Jewish and Christian for the most part, or the vast majority of it anyway, even though some foreign concepts may have helped shape some of the Jewish concepts several centuries before Jesus; but the Romans of the 3rd or 4th Centuries certainly did not write Psalms, Isaiah, Malachi, 2 Samuel, Deuteronomy, Jeremiah, etc. Then Jeremiah 31 contains a prophecy about a new covenant replacing the old one—i.e., the NT replacing the OT—which is referred to in Hebrews [most likely written by Paul]; and Deuteronomy 18 contains another major messianic prophecy about the Messiah being in many respects like Moses, which prophecy is, by the way, alluded to many times in the Gospel of John. Even how Jesus returns one day is supposed to be derived from Jewish messianic prophecies, which I won’t bother to go into any more of those right here since that should be enough to make the point. The no-real-Jesus-ever-existed concept, which tells us that the Romans created Jesus entirely from thin air to become their empire’s new God/god by them plagiarizing from other ancient cultures, that hypothesis doesn’t take into account what any of these messianic prophecies contain… whereas most serious Christians have acquired a decent level of knowledge about a good number of these prophecies and so think the religion is legitimate based on those; but each can be shown as natural Jewish aspirations in relation to the predicament of their subjugated nation.
  • The Big Problem of Paul’s Epistles Being Far too Genuine: The apostle Paul is another huge problem for the no-real-Jesus-ever-existed concept, which concept apparently holds Paul’s letters to the various churches he allegedly started as being complete fiction—supposedly created in the 3rd or 4th Centuries just to get a needed replacement for Paganism. That hypothesis might work with some who have never read Paul’s epistles much, but not me. I won’t even bother to explain too much about this one since anyone familiar with the detailed problems that Paul faced and tried to address in his letters, regarding those churches—how those were very involved and in great detail—it would be impossible for a clergy from any time to create those out of thin air. To anyone who knows Paul’s writings well, to suggest that someone else after him created those would look preposterous! However, with a historical Jesus whose story was greatly embellished, which is what I believe, Paul most certainly would have needed to fabricate his own conversion story in order to inject himself into the new religion as a person who had a divine commission to become one of its leaders, which essentially made that a business decision by Paul in relation to his training, expertise, and apparently narrowing options during that early Christian time.
  • The Problem of the writings of the Church Fathers, dating back to Clement of Rome (who flourished in AD 96), shows how Christian thought developed from its inception and then moved ahead… as Clement was then followed by other similar leaders of the religion, namely: Ignatius of Antioch (35-110), Polycarp of Smyrna (69-155), Tertullian (160-225), Iranaeus of Lyons (fl. in 180), Clement of Alexandria, Origen of Alexandria (185-254), Asthanasius of Alexandria (293-373), John Chrysostom (307-407), Hilary of Poitiers (300-368), and Augustine of Hippo (354-430); and there are several more whose writings are available today to those who want to take the time to see how Christian thought continued to evolve or develop from the 1st Century through the 5th Century regarding those mentioned here—all of which started from the existence of a real person who was named Jesus, as well as a real person named Peter, a real person named John, a real person named James, and a real person named Paul, including a few more. I know atheists would like the easiest and quickest route for making this false religion please go away—the simplest way possible to dismiss it—but to claim that the Romans invented Christianity in the 3rd or 4th Centuries to replace their empire’s Paganism will not work since that cannot hold up.

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